You may be right on those specific items. Apologies if my comments were
based on out of date information. And it does seem Seeed's documentation
has improved a bit since I was last on their site several months ago.
The BBB Green announcement is from two weeks ago; I had not heard of it.
Thanks for the link. I watched the video. It's hardly an endorsement of
Seeedstudio. Jason goes on to say at 1:50 that Seeed has not licensed the
BB logo and are not fully participating in the BBB 'ecosystem', and
cautions that any mistakes they made will not be fixed by BBB.org since
they are effectively 'forking' (my terminology) the design. So I am left
wondering how well this "impressive amount of value" will be supported.
Seeed took off HDMI (bad call for my use, we plan to use HDMI touchscreens
on at least some BBB systems to provide a user-facing GUI), and added two
Grove connectors. Searching on the Seeed site there is no reference to the
new Beaglebone Green. The video says a USB Micro B was added - for what?
This already exists on BBB Rev C. Grove seems like a cool idea. So I
decided to check it out. Maybe I was wrong... I am trying to be optimistic
about this... Comments here for the BBB Grove shield
indicate that the example code they provided for Grove components is just
for Arduino - no actual examples for BBB? What's up with that? The link on
the page to Github for the alleged Grove BBB drivers has an extraneous ')'
in it so fails unless you take that off - the github for this is correctly
https://github.com/Seeed-Studio/Suli - which indeed says that as of today
only Arduino is there now. So if you buy the Grove BBB shield you are on
your own for drivers: you can't actually use the Seeed BBB hardware you buy
out of the box.
Grove appears to be just I2C - at least here
http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/Grove_-_Digital_Light_Sensor - so adding
two I2C connectors to BBB is hardly adding a lot of value IMHO.
I have seen other simple clones which also add no value: whistLED for one.
Do they pay the author any royalty (I don't know, do you? I'm honestly
curious). All the info links just pass through to the real developer's
website. What value is added there?
funded by Kickstarter (
this product is now obsolete and if you bought it from Seeed you are stuck
with no documentation at all - I have tried to find schematics anywhere
with no luck. This is a beef with both Triggertrap and Seeed - neither
seems to have any documentation available for this product, though on the
KS page you can see the promise to do so.
My belief is if you are going to sell a product, even one you did not
design, you have the obligation to your customers to maintain at least user
documentation for the product for some reasonable time - at least five or
ten years, or as long as it is in use. Maybe I just picked the worst
examples, but Seeed doesn't appear to consistently do this.
You accuse me of an irrational premise. My premise is this: if companies
simply clone OSHW, without "joining the ecosystem" (Jason Krinder's
wording) and just try to undercut on price, without contributing back into
the community (e.g. as Adafruit does, see
https://learn.adafruit.com/category/beaglebone), all they are doing is
trying to profit from others' engineering. How does that make the world a
better place? If my premise is truly irrational and I am missing the whole
OSHW concept please explain it to me.
Conclusion: you have not changed my opinion of Seeed, and I don't see the "very
impressive amount of value" from Seeed's BB Green which you do. I'd love it
if you had persuaded me otherwise since the more vendors really adding
value to OSHW, it would seem that the better off we all will be.